Info-Ren discussants; I'd like to commend the Info-ren folks on their quality organization and moderation of this discussion. This is the best- run electronic public input initiative I've seen. In about 1867 when the first transatlantic telegraph was installed wonderfully flowery visions of our global human family being joined together were ushered from many a pulpit. Most of these visions have yet to be realized, even with today's technologies. The point is there's a big difference between espousing theoretical benefits and demonstrated practice/realization of specific benefits. Beyond basic physical connectivity, universal service needs to focus on the social infostructure by which people become aware of the validated, not assumed, benefits of connectivity at all levels. Effective citizen engagement in lifelong learning and purposeful public problem solving, that improves lives, is a key issue. We need ongoing evaluative metrics to measure what's really happening after connectivity is made available. Caring and connectivity are two related types of bandwidth which must interact with common sense. The following quote, from another listserv, points to the need for attending to the specifics of each community. IF each community and school's public enjoyed widespread understanding of what's at stake, and what real benefits are possible, I suspect MOST would quickly find local funding to get the job done. QUOTE from an Australian: Why can't governments decide on a "minimum level of services" that must be available in every rural community and then stick to it? The question was asked in the context of ongoing withdrawal of services both government e.g. health and private enterprise e.g. banks) in rural areas? My immediate reaction was that because of the diversity between individual communities, prescribing a minimum level of services would be impossible and largely inequitable. I believe the services available in any given community should depend on the population demographics, history, local economic conditions and social characteristics pertaining to that community. Moreover, any attempt to prescribe a minimum level without appropriate consultation and input by local residents is grossly undemocratic and doomed to failure. ENDQUOTE. NPTN filed with the FCC an interesting suggestion that funding go to those communities who have organized their various constituent institutions around a shared vision for shared connectivity. In their view "community networks" are the proper model; joining schools, libraries, local government, local businesses, healthcare, etc. As a k-100 lifelong learning society all institutions and aspects of communities need to be part of this major societal change...plus the fact that sustainability is most attainable through such collaborations. Case study: In Dillon, Montana, while waiting for our big telco to get around to offering flat rate Internet locally, the local Photomat owner closed the Photomat and opened Blue Moon Technologies to offer unlimited local Internet for $20/month. If he can do it, why can't most communities? Our town of 4,000 now has three local Internet providers. NOTE: Ken Phillips of www.open.org in Eugene, Oregon has a sustainable model of a community network offering unlimited local access for $5/month. What Dillon still lacks in our schools, libraries, businesses and local government, is a vision for what the Internet can mean, and any collaboration to acquire and disseminate Internet expertise and benefits. We have a majority who don't know what's already available, and who won't attend free demonstrations of Internet benefits. Our majority of citizens are "Will-nots" who frankly don't care about any of it. (Another govt/telco scam at milking profits from gullible citizens.) They literally don't yet see how it can impact their lives in a positive way. Most of the telcos (and Congresspersons,) discovered Internet within the last two years, yet don't allude to the need for discovery by us all as to the validated benefits and emerging social dynamics of online citizen engagement. We need a national teleliteracy awareness campaign focused on measuring 'real benefits for real people,' not more hypeway glitz. Footnote: Many telcos and online businesses consider themselves in direct competition with community networks generated from the bottom-up and plan to replace them with their top-down monopolistic enterprises. Will this trend bring us a society of solo browsers, or a citizenry engaged in purposeful public problem solving and an electronic democracy? The citizens themselves will ultimately decide based on their level of participation. \ / - >>>>--Big Sky Telegraph--> Welcomes your imagination! / \ Frank Odasz; franko@bigsky.dillon.mt.us Western Montana College of the University of Montana >>>-NEW--> http://macsky.bigsky.dillon.mt.us/ Telnet: 192.231.192.1 Dialup:406-683-7680, Type bbs